| The Irish American Post Talks With Pat
Boran
* What does poetry mean to you?
Part of the difficulty of talking about poetry is that the word Poet
(with a capital P) conjures up all kinds of stereotypes, which for many
people only serves to remove poetry from their lives rather than remind
them how it used to be such a natural ingredient.
For me, the important thing about being a poet is that it is an active
rather than a passive pursuit. It’s not enough to sit around waiting for
"inspiration." Poetry tends to come to people who are actively using and
exploring language. In the same way that footballers are people who play
football, or musicians are people who play music (and hopefully listen
to others, challenge themselves and try to improve), it’s necessary for
a poet to practice and train, to borrow and imitate, and, now and again,
to take a big risk and just let go. Then, if you’re lucky, the occasional
poem, like the occasional solo (or solo run) might just find its mark.
* Why did you become a poet?
I don’t think anyone becomes a poet, in the sense that poetry
is hardly a career choice. Instead poetry is something that many, if not
most, people produce at some stage in their lives (usually in their childhoods
when language seems new and exciting), and the people we call poets tend
to be those who continue with that play or experimentation or exploration
into their adult lives.
Of course, many of these same people also do other things or have other
paths and professions, whether they be writing-related (teachers, English
professors, writers in various genres, etc) or not. For myself, most of
the work I do in the world (and which keeps me alive) is connected in some
way with poetry: that’s simply because, even when I’m not writing poems
myself, I like to have other people’s poems near.
* What does a poet psychologically need to survive?
Poets need to be largely self-sufficient, used to failure.
* Did you have a hard time breaking into the poetry
world?
Established poets, in my experience, tend to be very welcoming of new
poets, just as most established or mid-career musicians tend to be happy
to see new musicians come on the scene. Publication is an entirely different
thing and can be impossibly labyrinthine or deceptively simple, depending
on luck, talent, the direction of the prevailing wind and any number of
other factors.
For my own part, I had spent a few years writing and collecting lyrics
(originally with an eye to possibly recording songs) and then I entered
a collection in a competition for unpublished books in Ireland. Winning
that competition also brought me an offer to publish from a well-known
poetry press, so it was a relatively fast and painless experience. The
book was called The Unwound Clock (after the idea that a stopped
clock will still tell the time correctly twice a day – and explored issues
to do with my home place, with memory, with family, with love, etc, all
the usual ingredients of the contemporary poem, and every poem ever written
as far as I can see.
* Any one else in your family a poet? writer? artists?
names?
My younger brother Michael is a photographer, and exhibits regularly.
* Were your parents supportive?
My father was variously a travel agent (in a town famous for its maximum
security political prison – the subject of a prose book I’m working on
at present) and also an agent for a company which sold prefabricated wooden
doors and windows.
My mother had been a secretary before getting married but was kept sufficiently
busy with myself and my four siblings as what is euphemistically called
a housewife – as if she had only been responsible for a building and not
the enormously complex and demanding business of feeding, tracking, inspiring,
challenging, washing, teaching, nurturing and loving the five helpless
individuals the gods had given her to raise to adulthood.
Especially early on, both of my parents worried about my apparent choice
to write, as I might have done myself were it not for the fact that in
the early 1980s even many of my friends who expressly wantedto work
couldn’t find jobs. At least, I suppose, I appeared to be happy doing whatever
it was I did all day, and half of the night. In retrospect, it was a hard
time for them, as it is for any parent or an artist, musician or poet:
hoping their offspring might continue to play with and be open to creative
energy, and at the same time able to (like the three little pigs in the
story) put and maintain a roof over their own heads.
* Is it a fight to keep getting published?
I’ve published books of poetry, of fiction and of non-fiction. For
the non-fiction books I did have an agent, and that was certainly helpful,
as I didn’t at that point know much about how the publishing business works.
Few poets have or need agents, and few agents are interested in poets.
An agent earns his/her money from a percentage of the author’s income.
The income of most poets (from their publications at least) just about
covers the cost of pencils.
Far from being a bad thing, this may well be the best thing about the
poetry business: people who are just interested in money quickly lose interest
and move on elsewhere. It does mean, though, that poets have to do all
sorts of other things to sustain and maintain themselves: this variety
of secondary occupations in which poets are engaged may well be
another good thing, bringing, as it does, all sorts of new ideas and subject
matter into poetry, constantly refreshing the art form with the news and
challenges of the world in which poets, and other citizens, live.
* What is your writing process?
I keep a variety of notebooks, copybooks and journals, which I’m constantly
adding to and copying back and forth among: and in recent years, because
it’s often the sound of something that gets me started, I often also get
down a first draft of a poem into a dictaphone.
Usually the written material is handwritten (not least because I often
write it away from my desk) and later, if I like the shape or sound of
it, I type it up, print it, revise it, rewrite it, etc etc, until it’s
either done or abandoned or so hopelessly far from the initial impulse
that I go back to the beginning and start over (trying to keep what was
fresh in the first instance).
This is hardly the least labour-intensive way of working, but the effort
of rewriting and retyping is actually a very useful way to test an idea
or a line: if something is really not doing its job, tired typing fingers,
or a tired brain, will often perform the necessary edit or point out where
it should have come.
* Is it hard finding themes? What's your rewriting
process?
For the most part, I try not to think about themes (or sometimes even
subject matter) until at least a first draft of a poem is done. I think
I write to discover not to relate. I write not necessarily knowing where
I’m going and then, if and when I stumble upon something, I try to zoom
in, to chop away, to focus. Of course, concerns and interests will occur
and recur, but I try to approach the first draft without too much expectation.
* Are you primarily a storyteller? Should poems have
a "message" or can they be just a fun read.
Many poems contain stories, or parts of stories. (Think of the huge
complex stories of the Odyssey, the Iliad, in Ireland the
Táin
and other works).But there are many great storytellers who I wouldn’t think
of as poets.
The two are not mutually exclusive, but neither are they mutually dependant.
Narrative lends drama, tension, forward drive, etc to language, but the
lyric poem often has little of any of these qualities. Instead it derives
much of its power and energy from suggestion, repetition, from the gaps
in what might be thought of as narrative and into which the reader (or
listener) is required to contribute.
The lyric poem will often put two or more images close to each other,
and the reader/listener is given a sense of how they are connected,
but there is seldom only a single reading possible – as there must be,
for instance, in a narrative in which Action B follows Action A and precedes
Action C. The lyric, for various reasons, tends to dominate contemporary
English language poetry (perhaps novels and movies have taken over from
narrative poetry of earlier periods).
* What's the state of the Irish poetry world?
For six years, I programed the Dublin Writers Festival (40 writers/poets
over four days in June in the middle of Dublin). For two years, I presented
the Poetry Programme on RTE Radio, interviewing poets, taking about poetry
books, etc.
Now I also run a small publishing house producing about 10-12 poetry
titles a year, and working with poets and translators on these. And then
there’s my own reading, my own favourite poets, the podcasts and websites
I subscribe to, the magazines and journals I read, re-read, etc. In some
ways I’m surrounded by poetry. Having two small kids, I have a fairly restricted
social life these days, and when I’m out of the house/home situation it’s
often to present poetry readings, or book lauches of something of that
kind.
So there are plenty – if not too many – opportunities to share thoughts
on poetry, even occasionally over a post-reading pint. I don’t think this
is all that different in Ireland than in New York, or San Francisco or
St Paul – except perhaps that per capita there are a lot of people writing
in Dublin (and people coming to Dublin to write) and therefore there are
even more challenges for someone like myself to even try to keep up with
it all.
* What about your family?
Married (Sept 12, 2001) to a Sicilain wife, Raffaela, from and in Syracusa,
and have two children, Lee (5) and Luca (3), whose bilingualism is a great
delight and encouragement to me.
* What does a poet do to relax?
Can’t talk for other poets, but apart from reading and talking endlessly
about poetry to anyone who will listen, I play guitar and like to jam with
friends from time to time or experiment with multi-track spoken word and
musical soundscapes.
I live right beside the sea and like to get out and walk the beach whenever
I can or take the kids out to explore the wilder end of the local parks.
The writing (and publishing) life can be fairly physically inactive – the
whole world now stuck in front of screens all day – so when I can I like
to be up and about and moving. When we’re in Sicily I want to be in the
sea all day, though I seldom have the courage for it in Ireland!
* What was your reaction when hearing of your O'Shaugnessy
award?
I was delighted when I learned about the O’Shaughnessy award, knowing
something about it from some of the previous recipients. The business of
making poems is a relatively solitary one and there’s always the sense
that, even with a successful poem, it might not end up being seen by very
many people.
An award like the O’Shaughnessy more or less guarantees that at least
some of the poems will escape my own reach and find their way to a readership
elsewhere. In this respect, I’m inclined to see the award as being for
the poems, not for the poet. There’s also, though, the sense that the award
is an injunction to go and make more poems and not to get too caught up
in or distracted by other things.
Poems are slow fuses and, even when they’re good, they often take their
time finding their way in the world. At times in one’s writing life, this
can feel a bit frustrating: an award like the O’Shaughnessy is, in this
sense, both and endorsement and an encouragement.
The fact that the award also necessitates a trip to St Paul, and visits
to the campus of the University of St Thomas, also allows one, or forces
one, to look at the poems again in a new light, from a new perspective.
Again this is a great help towards a letting go of the poems, but also
towards a renewed understanding of both their successes and their failures.
* Would you suggest that poetry be a career choice
for a young person?
As I said at the outset, I don’t think poetry is a career. It might
be a hobby, or a vocation, a talent or a skill. For most people it’s not
necessary to do it to the exclusion of everything else; but it is important
to do it as if one’s life depended on it.
Would I love to see my kids write poems? Of course I would. Will I also
teach them how to change a lightbulb, wire a plug, type a letter, fix a
puncture, cook a stew or iron a shirt? You bet.
Anyone with even a passing interest in poem-making better be well able
to fend for themselves in the world.
 
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