Dec. 20, 2002:
Claudy Takes Top Place in News Reports
SDLP leader Mark Durkan has called on the British government, the IRA
and the Catholic Church to give a full account of what happened at Claudy
in 1972 - Irish News, page 4.
Church leaders spoke out yesterday as the clamor for a judicial inquiry
into the Claudy atrocity gathered pace - News Letter, page 6.
Unfortunately, there has been no closure of this hellish nightmare for
the good and decent people of Claudy, and Government, the Roman Catholic
Church and anyone with information must now fully co-operate to see that
justice is done - News Letter editorial, page 8.
The Catholic Bishop of Derry, Dr Seamus Hegarty, has said people should
not pre-empt the results of the police investigation into the Claudy
bombing - Irish Times, page 7. Daily Mirror, page 2.
The following broadcast transcripts on Dec. 20, 2002, and Jan. 3,
2003, concerning the Claudy bombing of 1972 are courtesy of the Irish Information
Service
IVAN COOPER, BISHOP SEAMUS HEGARTY, UTV LIVE
MIKE NESBITT
Now the former Civil Rights leader Ivan Cooper identified the priest
as a leader of the bomb gang earlier this year. We spoke this afternoon.
Mr Cooper when you implicated the priest the Catholic Church attacked
you. How do you feel today?
IVAN COOPER
I don't feel any elation or feeling of vindication, but it had been
said that I had sullied the memory of a dead priest and obviously that
hurt me a great deal. But I am more concerned in relation to the impact
and the effect on the families, because unfortunately the Claudy bombing
was largely a forgotten bombing and the victims, I feel, had felt a great
aspect of isolation.
MIKE NESBITT
What could be done for the relatives now?
IVAN COOPER
I wouldn't like to raise their thoughts at this stage because it is
my view that it will be very difficult to do anything about the Claudy
bombing. My belief is that either two or three of the members of the unit
which carried out the bombing of Claudy are no longer with us, they are
dead. And I think most of the rest of the people involved in it went to
live in the United States of America. So I wouldn't like to raise hopes
at this stage.
There have been many other atrocities similar to Claudy throughout Northern
Ireland, but at least this has focused some attention on the loss of the
people of Claudy and for me it was a great personal loss, because I come
from Claudy and many of those who lost their lives on that day were people
who I knew intimately, and anyone who has ever seen Billy Aiken and Merle
Aiken will know that the death of their little child Catherine is something
which devastated their lives totally and it is a pain and hurt which they
carry in the most devastating way to this very day.
MIKE NESBITT
Seamus Hegarty is the Catholic Bishop of Derry, he joins us now live
from our studios in the city.
Has today's revelation compromised the integrity of your church?
BISHOP HEGARTY
No, it certainly is not the type of news which we like to get. Nonetheless,
it certainly does clarify the situation very significantly for us. Up until
now we were responding to information which we had at the time, which was
rather limited, and in our recent statements as recently as last January
we clearly were responding on the basis of information which we then had.
MIKE NESBITT
Bishop, morally is it correct to shelter a man who is implicated in
mass murder of a terrorist nature?
BISHOP HEGARTY
No it certainly is not. And there was no effort made to shield himŠ
MIKE NESBITT
He was transferred to another parish.
BISHOP HEGARTY
Well, wait a minute the situation is that we are now in possession of
information which we did not have previouslyŠ.
MIKE NESBITT
But the Cardinal did according to the police.
BISHOP HEGARTY
That is a different matter. The Cardinal and the Secretary of State
obviously they met, they discussed it, four months after the tragic bombing
in Claudy took place. Now what the deliberations of that particular conversation
was, I do not know. But what I do know is that that particular piece of
information and a lot of the other details which Assistant Constable Kincaid
presented today came as total news to us.
And we do not, obviously, condone in any way violence, no matter by
whom it is perpetrated and we have as Catholic clergy, an excellent record
in defending life unborn and since then and the clergy in this diocese
of Derry and elsewhere in Northern Ireland, they have an impeccable record
in outreaching to people. No I think that has to be said and is very important
to say it again.
MIKE NESBITT
Can I ask you, if it had been one of your relatives who had died would
you be happy that the Cardinal had described the priest as having behaved
improperly? Is that enough?
BISHOP HEGARTY
I found that strange, but the fact is that at that time, what also surprises
me is that the four months elapsed between the actual bombing and the meeting
in December '72 and clearly for very good reasons, whatever the reasons
were, I do not know, the perpetrators, including the priest in question,
were not questioned.
Jan. 3, 2003:
The former Roman Catholic Bishop of Derry Dr. Neil Farren - who grilled
Claudy bombing suspect, Fr. James Chesney - gave out cash to relatives
of those killed and injured in the 1972 atrocity, Londonderry Deputy Mayor,
Mary Hamilton, revealed last night - News Letter, pages 1 and 10.
Ian Paisley, Jr., has called for an independent inquiry into the role
of the Government and the Catholic Church following the Claudy bombing
- Daily Mirror, page 11.
Hamilton Raps Payment of Money, GMU
CONOR BRADFORD
The Deputy Mayor of Derry, Mary Hamilton, claims that the former Catholic
Bishop of Derry, Dr Neil Farren, gave out money to the relatives of those
killed and injured in the 1972 Claudy bombing. Mrs. Hamilton was injured
in the bombing, and says she and her husband were given £400 by Bishop
Farren just days after the bomb.
Take us back to the circumstances at the time, then, when this money
was, as you say, handed out.
MARY HAMILTON
This money was handed out just after the bombing. And at that time people
were so shocked, and we were all out of our homes, we'd actually nothing
left, we ended up in a caravan, living in a caravan, and we understood
this money was to help us tide us over that period. And we didn't question
it, but it's just now, when everything is being revealed, what happened,
we begin to question, I think, was this conscience money?
CONOR BRADFORD
This is because of the belief that the Bishop of Derry at the time,
this Dr. Neil Farren, who's dead now, of course, actually grilled the bombing
suspect, Fr. James Chesney. But the trouble is, the myths of time tend
to sort of cloud these things over. I mean this is a long time ago now,
isn't it?
MARY HAMILTON
This is a long time ago, but it's still in our minds, and with us living
through it, it's just as clear as yesterday. And, you know, I can just
see everything as vivid as yesterday, and you just sit back now and think
of what happened then, and begin to question why was this money given out?
At that time it was just so new into the troubles, and we didn't realize
that this wasn't done in other places.
CONOR BRADFORD
At the time, I presume, the money was welcome?
MARY HAMILTON
Well, at the time the money was accepted. We thought this was to help
us get furniture, get the necessary things to help us live, because we
were in the hotel, and we were literally just left with, the kitchen was
about the only thing we were able to live, we had to get a caravan and
live outside. So we thought this money was to help tide people over.
CONOR BRADFORD
Now you feel that the money could be sort of tainted, in hindsight.
What do you feel should be done now?
MARY HAMILTON
Well, really, Bishop Farren is deceased now, so there's nothing really
that we can do, like as far as that's concerned. We just feel very angry
that with everything known then, and was this all just to brush everything
under the carpet more or less to keep people from asking questions and
keep us quiet.
CONOR BRADFORD
And this is just a question that will be left hanging there now?
MARY HAMILTON
This is just a question, yes, though I would imagine it will be discussed
when we meet again with the PSNI, an inquiry, there is to be a meeting
in the New Year some time.
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